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Random Thoughts from the Third Meal

This past Shabbat we ate Seudat Shlishit at the home of a Rabbi in one of the popular American post-high school yeshivot.

Here are two things I heard from him at the meal:

  • A student came up to him after hearing a lecture on the importance of the Land of Israel and said “Rebbe, how can people choose to live in galus (exile)? I mean, if someone asked themselves the question ’should I live in Israel or in galus?’, how can you possibly choose not to be in Israel”

    Nu? (I know that some people who read this are outside of the Holy Land. What are your excuses?)

  • This rabbi has an expression that he uses when he hears someone say something bad about the Land of Israel or its inhabitants. Meraglish. As in, “comitting the sin of the meraglim (spies) by talking badly about the Land of Israel.

    For example, if I hear you saying how you don’t like some thing in Israel and America is so much better, etc, etc, I would say to you: “Stop being so meraglish”.

    I think that this one is definitely going to be included in my repertoire.

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5 Responses to “Random Thoughts from the Third Meal”

Debbie Says:
June 4th, 2006 at 17:23

Hi! I am so glad I found your blog. We may come to Israel in December and my husband and I have been discussing a move to Israel at some point in the future. Right now he is in the process of converting and is worried that even though it will be an Orthodox conversion that it won’t be recongnized in Israel. I am also looking to find a penpal for my almost 10 yr old daughter. Any suggestions?

shanna Says:
June 6th, 2006 at 16:39

The choice is just not that simple. Try this one: how can someone choose to use birth control? In the general (halachic) case, it is preferable not to, and to have many children, but there are dozens of other factors that come into play, including health concerns and shalom bayit. Or this one: how can someone “choose” to work as a lawyer or an accountant or any number of other things, when instead s/he could be learning in kollel all day? Isn’t it preferable to devote as much time to Torah learning as possible?

tamar Says:
June 9th, 2006 at 0:23

I’m sorry, Shana, I just don’t see the logic of your comparison. Why assume that aliyah is going to entail yisurin similar to the hardships of raising a household of children or extreme financial duress? True, living in Israel does not often offer the same creature comforts of living in the Diaspora, but the benefits are so plentiful and palpable that one can easily revel in them daily, enough to offset the difficulties that life in contemporary Israeli society might hold. I challenge all of us to at least give serious consideration to the pragmatism of life in Israel, rather than dismissing the possibility offhand as impossibly difficult. And I apologize to you personally if you have given the matter serious…SERIOUS consideration and have deemed it unfeasible.

shanna Says:
June 12th, 2006 at 18:43

Tamar, I wasn’t saying that aliyah would present the same or similar hardships – I was merely trying to draw the comparison that for every generally “preferable” option, there are certain circumstances that may warrant – or even require – choosing a (temporary or permanent) solution that appears to be less preferred. (For example, a couple that greatly desires and can afford more children may be halachicly obligated to use contraception due to the potential of serious danger of a pregnancy to the wife’s health.) It’s not even necessarily a question of being “difficult” to live in Israel – would you suggest that someone leave behind an ill parent in order to make aliyah?

My husband and I have seriously considered aliyah, and at the time of our discussion on the matter it was not the right option for us. Nor will it be within the next couple of years. However, it is a topic that we will revisit, just as we periodically evaluate the courses of our careers, our community, our spiritual growth, and countless other matters. I recognize that you wrote a conditional apology, but, to be frank, I find it somewhat irritating that many of those people who have made are are about to make aliyah consider it acceptable to be judgmental and dismissive first of those of us still in Galut…and only later stop to think, “Hmmm, well, maybe they have a reason.” I try very hard not judge others for many other halachic and hashkafic decisions they make that are different from mine, and I expect the same from them.

Tamar Says:
June 13th, 2006 at 2:42

“I challenge all of us to at least give serious consideration to the pragmatism of life in Israel, rather than dismissing the possibility offhand as impossibly difficult.”

I stand by this statement from an earlier post. I also stand by my preemptive apology to those who have given the matter serious consideration. Unfortunately, I have encountered many Americans who consider themselves Torah Jews and who entirely dismiss the possibility of aliyah out of hand. I also believe that my post was neither judgemental nor arrogant. There is, however, a Talmudic precedent for olim (and native Israelis) to speak somewhat disparagingly concerning the decision of their Diaspora brethren to remain in galut. See Yoma 9b for a fascinating (and entirely relevant) exchange between Reish Lakish and Rabba bar bar Chana.

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